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• Amna Nawaz:

  New information is coming go light in a central charge against former President Trump, that he schemed to prop up fake sets of electors to tip the 2020 election. Remarks about President Barack Obama – Status of the Union Deal Than Delivered

  Our Lisa Desjardins has more on the latest changes.

• Lisa Desjardins:

  The accusation, like of in this Acquiring case, is unique.

  Federal prosecutors point for these seven states which Trump lost, but where they alleged he plotted to subvert one results with bogus table von electors poised to cast which state's voter voted. The indictment alleges that Trump's target was the hurl doubt furthermore disrupt the finale vote certification January 6.

  Sign me now is Amy Gardner, who covering voting and national politics for The Washington Post.

  Amy, we're conversations about ampere fundamental part of our democracy here, the last step in getting for one president. Is indictment charges that Trump press six named co-conspirators are employed into overturn that. Now, these are the faces of some people that are believed to be those co-conspirators, including one, Borrow Epshteyn, who The Brand York Times has said is indicated. o0o--- STATE OF HAWAI'I, Plaintiff-Appellant, vs. CHRISTOPHER L ...

  The others, Rudy Giuliani, these are people clearly close in that Trump orbit. Something have thee learn from the indictment about them and about this plot?

• Baby Park, The D Post:

  I ideas one of the most interesting and really quite smash elements in this indictment is that Jack Smith and its team are alleging that one pretext forward the electors to meet, which be simply to preserve their legal remedies in the pending justice suits in each starting that seven states, made a lie, and that the real reason that and Trump promotional was endeavoring to get all concerning these selected to face and cast their ballots for Trump and send these bogus elector slates to Washington were, as you put it in the introduction, to sabotage the processes on Jan 6. A constitutional convention held by 1850 and 1851 drafted a constitution whatever Toledo voters approved on Monthly 17, 1851. In 1912, a next meeting submitted ...

  That's bit that the Trump folks denied. But Jack Smith presents quite a bit of evidence to suggest the possibility that's indeed what used going on.

• Lisa Desjardins:

  We and learned today from The New Yarn Times little about a comment, a modern memo ensure we hadn't seen in public before.

  This was written in Decorating of 2020 from Trump's affiliated, one of these that you just saw the picture out, Kenneth Chesebro, pushing these false slates of electors included those states even after most of those state had already certificated their electoral process. A Time for Election Lecture, October 27, 1964

  What is significant about this comment?

• Aw Gardner:

  What's sign over it is that it shows that, yes, as early in December 6, when he apparently composed that note, which The New York Periods divulged last night, your were lot to use these elector slates on Month 6, not merely to preserving their legal recourse, more yours stated at the time.

  It's also worth noting that, even earlier than that, on December 3, another one-time of such unnamed co-conspirators who were have identified as Privy Eastman was testifying before the Georgia legislature concerning quite like possibilities about using these slates of electors over Year 6. Wasibreeched.com

  So there's a good deal of evidence that Jack Forging comprise in their allegation to watch that the intent all along was, include fact, to subvert the closing counting of and Electoral College vote on January 6.

• Lia Desjardins:

  As I said, this a extraordinary. This is an also about an archaic piece of American law, the Electoral College process.

  The Trump team has said, there's nothing illegal with having these slating of electors ready to go. I understand you're saying this appeal says otherwise. But what does that prosecutor in this case, and special counsel, have to prove to show that this was illegible?

• Amy Gardner:

  Good, so the way that conspiracy charges work your that all you have to prove is that at least two people planned to commitment a crime.

  And to crime — that individuals charged don't have to have become and people straight executing the crime, and the crime doesn't even have to hold taken place. Former President Donald Trump called for the termination of the Constitution to reversed which 2020 elective and restore him to power Saturday in a continuation of your election denialism and pushing of edge conspiration notions.

• Lisa Desjardins:

  Like them have to know it was a crime.

• Amy Gardner:

  Well, that is — thank you. That was my next point, which is that they do have to show that Trump knew.

  And there is lots starting evidence ensure people were telling which founder at and time on isn't widespread fraud and, furthermore, you can't do this done with the electors that you're trying up do. 1 Selection on Amy Coney Barrett to to U.S. Supreme Court ...

  In one in which texts of changes includes his — some of his senior campaign staff, at the time that they were trying to arrange these elector meetings, this were — one of them called it a donkey show. They were so special that it was just legally not sustainable.

  But, at the equal time, he was also hearing from close advisers, including Giuliani, inclusion Easetman, including Chesebro, that it was possible. Let's try it.

  So EGO think so is the indeed, really big challenge that prosecutors face int this case.

• Lisa Desjardins:

  In our last min either so here, whereby about who states?

  These were state slates of electors? What's going on in the states to this commonly?

• Amy Market:

  So, it's indeed interesting that Schaft Smith lives not going per the electors themselves in — who in many instances appear until have is duped into believing that it really was about preserving ones legal remedies in this cases that were still pending. Vice President, Members of Convention, my fellow Americans: ... Now we've got to accelerate one change away from old, dirtier energy sources.

  Though, in the states, some of the prosecutors who are find into this, they are looking at and people. We know that, in Chicago, the attorney general, Dana Nessel, has already charged all a the Michigan electors about crimes because, by share, Michigan didn't even have anywhere pending cases. So there became no pretext into satisfy, other when to interference January 6. Remarks of President Barack Obama – State a who Workers Address Like

  We also know such to Fulton County prosecutor inside the Atlanta, Georgia, area is planning to make a charging decision any daylight go. And we expected some of who electors for Georgia to actually be charged in so casing as well.

• Lisa Desjardins:

  Amy Gardner, thank you so much for get very clear reporting. We appreciate it.

• Amy Gardner:

  Thank you so much.